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3/5/2012
Governor Dayton vetoes HF1467. He apparently favors the right of criminals over the rights of law abiding citizens. He's saying that the law abiding permit holders of Minnesota cannot be trusted. He says he must listen to the police organizations on gun issues. One police chief testified before the senate that he used to steal apples from the neighbor's tree when he was a kid. He testified that with this bill, the homeowner would be free to shoot the young apple thief. Nothing in this bill altered the fact that to use deadly force in Minnesota, you must be in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. Either this chief cannot or did not read the legislation. He was simply promoting gun fear hysteria and should be fired for his attempt at empire building. Mr. Dayton should remember that a police state does not require a governor. This was not a gun bill, it was a self defense bill and apparently this cop and governor cannot tell the difference. DUMP DAYTON, elect somebody with a spine.
2/23/2012
House File 1467 Passes on Senate Floor 40-23
2/9/2012
House File 1467 having to do with stand your ground, castle doctrine changes and reciprocity, passed out of the Senate Finance Committee and was sent to the full senate recommended for approval. Senate action on the bill is expected the week of February 20th.
10/28/2011
This is a follow-up post to the one below:
10/28/2011 Hennepin County prosecutor, Mike Freeman, announced that no charges would be brought against the good samaritan who shot and killed the armed robber in this case.
The robber's sister was charged with aiding and abetting in this case and two counts of aggravated first-degree robbery for other activities, according to a criminal complaint.
Their mother was captured on video attempting to cash checks from one of her daughter's robberies. A close knit family I guess.
"While this man is to be commended for helping his fellow citizen in need, a note of caution is appropriate," Freeman said in a statement. (Incident one)
Apparently the good Samaritan chased the robber with his car (incident two) and shot the robber after the robber pointed a gun at him. That was self defense according to the county prosecutor. (incident three)
"If the scenario above were correct, the actions taken may be perfectly legal but likely still ILL ADVISED." Please don't try this at home.
I want to make sure that everyone understands that I do no recommend that anyone attempt to do what this permit holder did after originally defending the woman. I ALWAYS urge students to get as much separation from the criminal as possible. That is the safe thing to do. I often say that carrying a gun is a bit like tiptoeing through a mine field. What this permit holder did is like walking a tightrope that's strung over a mine field. Again, he may have been legally within his rights but to my way of thinking this action is ill advised for most of us. Be as safe as you can be out there folks.
10/21/11
On Thursday evening, 10/20/2010, a permit holder came across an armed robbery of an "elderly" woman at the Cub Foods parking lot near Lake Street and Hiawatha in Minneapolis. It was reported that after defending the woman, the permit holder pursued the fleeing robber and shot and killed him. Following is what I wrote the next Monday, 10/24/11 on one of the gun sites:
I think there is a general tendency to look at this as one incident. I think that is likely the wrong way to look at it. Break it down into two or three incidents and it could look like this:
Incident one. Armed citizen sees a crime in progress and takes action to defend ANOTHER. Perfectly legal in Minnesota. Criminal flees to end incident one.
Incident two. Armed citizen attempts to make a citizens arrest or retrieve the property of the female victim in incident one. In Minnesota you have broad authority to execute a felony citizens arrest, even to the point of breaking into their home to make the arrest. Perfectly legal in Minnesota.
Incident three. Known criminal (armed citizen just witnessed the criminal commit the crime) turns and points and/or shoots at the armed citizen (later reports state that gunfire was exchanged). Armed citizen uses deadly force to protect HIMSELF. Perfectly legal in Minnesota.
I didn't say this is what happened, I said it COULD look like this. If the scenario above were correct, the actions taken may be perfectly legal but likely still ill advised.
Fact: Lt. Bill Palmer, spokesperson for MPD, referred to the armed citizen as the "good Samaritan". Fact: county attorney, Mike Freeman, referred to the dead criminal as a "punk". Fact: dead criminal has felony conviction for simple robbery and attempted aggravated robbery and was sentenced to no time in prison, just 5 years probation. Fact: if dead criminal had been sent to prison he may be alive today.
5/23/2011
The "Stand Your Ground" bill will not be presented to the Senate Floor. This was decided by the Republican Leadership. With friends like that, who needs enemies. We have come too far for this half assed response. Please voice your displeasure to your elected officials.
I was in Utah on 5/14/2011 to recertify my Instructor credentials. Utah's law has "Stand Your Ground", strong "Castle Doctrine" language, "presumption of reasonableness" and they recognize any other states permit. These are the four items that were attempted in the Minnesota Legislature and failed. The anti's say "there will be blood in the streets" and a "return to the wild west". I've looked around Utah and found no blood and if this is the "wild west", I'm all for it.
5/6/2011 It's been a busy week!!!
The Senate companion bill, SF1357 passed out of committee on an 8 to 3 vote. Next stop...Senate floor.
5/4/2011
The bill passed out of the House Judiciary Committee. Next stop...House floor.
5/2/2011
The next legislative hearing on the gun rights omnibus bill --
HF1467 -- has been scheduled for this Wednesday, and committee members
need to see and hear you!
1. We need another really strong showing in the House Judiciary
Committee meeting Wednesday morning, like we had last week for
the Public Safety Committee.
(We know that you have jobs and lives, and we wouldn't ask if it
were not important. And if you missed last week's fun, here's another
chance!)
The meeting will start at 8:15
on Wednesday, May 4, in Room 10 of the State Office Building.
(Plan to carry? Make sure you've notified properly!)
2. The bill will get a hearing in the SENATE Judiciary and Public Safety Committee very soon -- watch your email!
3. Whether you can come on
Wednesday or not, please email AND CALL members of the House Judiciary
Committee and ask for their YES vote on HF1467:
You can email them all at once
by pasting this list into your email client:
rep.steve.smith@house.mn; rep.ron.shimanski@house.mn;
rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn; rep.diane.anderson@house.mn;
rep.bobby.champion@house.mn; rep.tony.cornish@house.mn;
rep.glenn.gruenhagen@house.mn; rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn;
rep.john.kriesel@house.mn; rep.carolyn.laine@house.mn;
rep.john.lesch@house.mn; rep.tina.liebling@house.mn;
rep.pat.mazorol@house.mn; rep.carly.melin@house.mn;
rep.joe.schomacker@house.mn; rep.bruce.vogel@house.mn;
rep.doug.wardlow@house.mn
Need that with commas instead? No problem!
rep.steve.smith@house.mn, rep.ron.shimanski@house.mn,
rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn, rep.diane.anderson@house.mn,
rep.bobby.champion@house.mn, rep.tony.cornish@house.mn,
rep.glenn.gruenhagen@house.mn, rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn,
rep.john.kriesel@house.mn, rep.carolyn.laine@house.mn,
rep.john.lesch@house.mn, rep.tina.liebling@house.mn,
rep.pat.mazorol@house.mn, rep.carly.melin@house.mn,
rep.joe.schomacker@house.mn, rep.bruce.vogel@house.mn,
rep.doug.wardlow@house.mn
Please contact the members of the House public safety committee and encourage them to support this bill. Their contact information is at the end of this email.
The full text of the bill can be found here: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/
The bill expands our rights in many ways. Here's an overview.
Adds Stand Your Ground
Enhances Castle Doctrine
The bill also strengthens Minnesota's "Castle Doctrine", clarifying when and under what circumstances an individual may use deadly force to protect themselves and their homes and vehicles. In addition, it creates a presumption that, when faced with an apparent home invasion or kidnapping attempt, a person may use deadly force in self defense.
Prevents Gun Seizures During a State of Emergency
Taking a lesson from the problems in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, the bill also bans government agencies from seizing guns or ammo, revoking permits to purchase or carry, or closing gun shops, during a civil emergency or for any other reason. It also prohibits law enforcement officers from seizing a person's gun, unless for the person is arrested, or the gun is evidence of a crime.
Extends Purchase Permits to Five Years
The bill also extends the validity of handgun purchase permits from one to five years, adds an annual background check for people holding those five-year permits. It requires the Minnesota Department of Human Services and state courts to make their background check records available electronically to authorized agencies, including the National Instant Background Check system (NICS) -- a process that was supposed to have been in place 16 years ago! This should reduce purchasing delays as well as ensuring that state and federal checks produce the same results.
The bill also borrows a page from the Permit to Carry law, providing a more robust appeal process for denied purchase permits, and requiring that police chiefs and sheriffs whose purchase permit denials are overturned must pay the applicants' legal costs.
Adds Universal Carry Permit Reciprocity
GOCRA is proud to have worked with Representative Cornish in the creation and polishing of this bill. Joined by the NRA, we shared our advice and experience, lending a historical perspective and suggesting beneficial statutory language. This bill is an excellent example of cooperation between legislators, local activists, and our national partners to support and extend our civil rights.
We'll be talking much more about the details of the bill in the coming days, but for now, can you help us get this bill passed?